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Guy Paradee Interview Notes of Marrottes (i.redd.it)

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[–]finn141414 2 points3 points  (10 children)

Fantastic thank you. Here is the imgur Maggie posted of the same (w additional page on the westmans) although yours is easier to read in my opinion.

https://m.imgur.com/a/rCvCwqo

[–]stanleybuttonss 2 points3 points  (8 children)

I swear I read a post or article recently that indicated Tim Westman barely left the computer/office room he was working in “on the other side of the house” - almost like crashes happened on that corner often enough that it wasn’t that surprising or weird for him. There were even specific comments talking about his lack of involvement. Seems like in this description he was very much involved in watching the scene. The post may have been related to the Westman 911 transcript or early Westman interviews - maybe on /r/MauraMurrayEvidence - but could be any post of any age because I’ve been all over the place recapping everything that’s out there. I’m going to look for it, but does anyone know a piece of evidence like that? Also to be clear, I don’t have any opinion that TW is involved in any way - that particular detail just stood out to me in this post.

[–]trolled_n_dupeified 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Newspapers:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MauraMurrayEvidence/comments/53wdy6/westman_quotes_and_mentions/

Westmans interview by Whitewash: https://www.reddit.com/r/MauraMurrayEvidence/comments/5yxb75/whitewashs_interview_write_up/

Westmans Interview by APN: https://www.reddit.com/r/MauraMurrayEvidence/comments/8jj1dd/another_westman_interview/

Sam Ledyard interview of Westmans http://web.archive.org/web/20140806034543/http://notwithoutperil.com/2014/06/08/my-visit-to-the-crash-site/

Westman call Text https://www.reddit.com/r/MauraMurrayEvidence/comments/8lgqqc/faith_westman_butch_atwood_call_treanscripts/dzfgtyu?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

PDF https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gLFhnQdKROmqJd8xBWAYiGnYELcuZJhL/view

Guy Paradee summary of OPN interview above: https://drive.google.com/file/d/16KvC7D1LY0YV_R2ZPXHjE6VcnnCnKbFS/view

Note that this account is not an accurate reflection of the details in the interview.

[–]finn141414 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha show off 🙌🏼🙌🏼 😉

[–]finn141414 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I honestly haven’t studied the different westman interviews closely [yet!!] but if you go to the index here there are 3 different westman interviews - scroll down to the header “interviews” (I’m just pasting the pinned post in this sub if this doesn’t work)

https://www.reddit.com/r/MauraMurrayEvidence/comments/bulwvm/master_index_for_maura_murray_evidence_subreddit/?st=JYFOOT8Z&sh=377c1e05

[–]stanleybuttonss 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Thanks for the link! As /u/fulkstop mentions below, it seems that both the Whitewash interview and "The Westmans by SL" (notwithoutperil blog) are very explicit about TW not watching out the window immediately after the crash or during 911 calls. In fact, both Whitewash and the archived blog have specific paragraphs discussing why TW didn't feel it was necessary to be watching. I guess some of this difference could be attributed to the fact that Guy Paradee refers to them jointly as "The Westmans," but the specific references are still worth noting and questioning.

When you look at all of the different Westman interviews, I think one of the biggest questions is the length of time between Atwood leaving and the first cruiser arriving. Guy Paradee is very clear that it is 5-6 minutes, whereas Whitewash says about 15 minutes but a MINIMUM of 10 minutes. For me, this comes further into question when you consider the Westman's specific (and conflicting) responses about which of them were watching out the window and why Faith hung up with 911 when she did.

[–]finn141414 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely! Great points.

[–]emncaity 0 points1 point  (2 children)

And then, later on, he became more and more adamant about hearing a sound, then a loud sound, then totally convinced it was definitely a spin and a tree impact, etc. But yeah, the earlier accounts are just as you say here, and in fact the very earliest Westman accounts (to 911 and in the county logs) sounded more like just noticing a car in the ditch. Nothing about hearing a crash, being sure of an impact, or anything like that.

I'm not talking about changing testimony because of anything nefarious, lying, etc. I'm talking about pretty much the kind of thing you see with witness testimony over time.

The Marotte account is different at different times as well.

[–]SwanSong1982 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I’m following your comments because they are so well thought out and obviously researched.

What if the Saturn was at the WBC earlier than 7:27? What if each description is a separate account taking place at a separate time? Then all merged into one?

[–]emncaity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, thankyaverramush.

I think it's exactly the point that these witness accounts -- like witness accounts in general -- tend to gravitate toward each other, and especially toward a standard accepted narrative, over time. (You can see that the Paradee interviews were in 2006. ) So in that way, yeah, they do tend to merge anyway. Sometimes they're even nudged in that direction, and not always for a nefarious reason. Sometimes LE just needs to arrive at a definite version, whether from public pressure or a take-charge attitude by officers or whatever. But one thing's for sure: Solving cold cases generally requires peeling back all the layers of assumption and narrative leaps, errors, etc., and looking at the earliest version of what was known, so you're not looking at other people's constructs, however well-intended (or not) they might be.

[–]fulkstop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

(w additional page on the westmans)

(Here is my transcription of the westman page -- if there are typos, I will fix them):

The Westmans noted that at some point the emergency flashers for the vehicle also came on.

After the Westmans watched this car for a few minutes, Bruce Atwood, one of their neighbors, drove by and stopped at the collision scene. He was one of the local school bus drivers and was in fact driving a large yellow standard school bus at this time. He said the bus stopped facing east (the opposite of the parked vehicle) at which time Atwood opened the door of the bus and began to speak to, the Westmans later learned, Maura Murray. Maura at this time had gotten out of her car and was speaking to Atwood from across the top of her vehicle. The Westmans recalled that Atwood spoke to Maura for only 1-2 minutes. After this conversation, Atwood left and drove the school bus back to his house where he parked as he usually does.

The Westmans said that Maura did not get into the school bus with Atwood, nor did Atwood get out of the bus when he spoke with Maura.

Both of the Westmans said that a couple of minutes after Atwood and the bus left they saw some activity outside of the car and believed it was Maura walking around her vehicle. Tim Westman said he could see a small light near Maura's face and thought she was smoking a cigarette. He later learned that Maura did not smoke and that the light he saw was probably a light from her cell phone. Another couple of minutes passed when both the Westman's noted they saw no further lights coming from Maura's vehicle.

Another couple of minutes went by at which time the Westmans saw a fully marked Haverhill police car coming from the west and parked near the scene. They observed the police car because it had its blue emergency lights on. Another couple of minutes went by when the officer assigned to this police car came to their front door. The officer asked where the female operator of the car in question was. Both Westmans stated they did not see Maura leave the area, but noted that she if she walked from the collision scene, she had to walk eastbound. They noted that had she walked westbound they would have seen her. The officer also noted that he came from the west and did not see her along his route.

The Westmans noted it was 5-6 minutes in time from when Atwood left in the school bus to the time the Haverhill police officer arrived on the scene.

The Westmans stated that soon after the officer left their residence, the local fire department, EMS staff and other local and state police officers arrived at the scene of this collision and began to search for Maura. Both Westmans also noted that the morning of the 10th both of them looked their property over and found no footprints in the snow to show where, if or how Maura left the accident scene. They said there certainly was enough snow for a person to leave footprints in the snow and none were found by anyone in the immediate area of where Maura left her car.

Both Tim and Faith could not offer any further investigative leads into this matter.

[–]thesquirrelmaster1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He says front end toward Lincoln then driverside door on woods side. So he is saying it was moved and turned around between the two statements?

[–]stanleybuttonss 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I swear I read a post or article recently that indicated Tim Westman barely left the computer/office room he was working in “on the other side of the house” - almost like crashes happened on that corner often enough that it wasn’t that surprising or weird for him. There were even specific comments talking about his lack of involvement. Seems like in this description he was very much involved in watching the scene.

The post may have been related to the Westman 911 transcript or early Westman interviews - maybe on /r/MauraMurrayEvidence - but could be any post of any age because I’ve been all over the place recapping everything that’s out there. I’m going to look for it, but does anyone know a piece of evidence like that?

Also to be clear, I don’t have any opinion that TW is involved in any way - that particular detail just stood out to me in this post.

[–]fulkstop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I swear I read a post or article recently that indicated Tim Westman barely left the computer/office room he was working in “on the other side of the house” - almost like crashes happened on that corner often enough that it wasn’t that surprising or weird for him. There were even specific comments talking about his lack of involvement. Seems like in this description he was very much involved in watching the scene.

White Wash's interview notes (see Finn's link, above) provide the information that Tim Westman went to work on his computer. The interview on https://notwithoutperil.com/ further clarifies that Faith Westman waited in the kitchen for police to arrive at the scene, while Tim Westman was in the office.

[–]salteddiamond 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Do the marrottes still live there ?

[–]finn141414 1 point2 points  (0 children)

John Marrotte died recently. I can’t remember about Virginia but I’ll check. I thought they had moved though.

edit: he died feb 25th (2019). Virginia died before he did, not sure when. His obituary lists him as Peterborough, NH.

[–]thesquirrelmaster1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, another couple lives there.

[–]salteddiamond 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Thank you.

And the other houses?

I know Butch passed away in 2009 and was living in California at the time

[–]finn141414 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Butch was in Florida when he died. RF no longer lives there (across from Butch). The Westmans are still there.

[–]fulkstop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

(here is my transcription):

MAURA MURRAY TASK FORCE

INVESTIGATIVE REPORT

Date of Report: January 29, 2006

Report Prepared By: E. Guy Paradee

Interviews

The following interviews were conducted relative to my investigation into the disappearance of Maura Murray. My investigation is being conducted under the guidance of the Molly Bish Foundation and Maura Murray Task Force.

John Marrotte

Virginia Marrotte

43 Wild Ammonoosuc Road

Haverhill, New Hampshire

Telephone: (603) 747-2387

John Marrotte was interviewed via telephone, relative to certain events concerning Maura Murray that occurred on February 9, 2004. His wife Virginia listened to some of the interview and stated she was in agreement with what her husband was telling me.

Marrotte stated that sometime between 1900hrs and 2000hrs on February 9, 2004, he went to the kitchen sink inside of his residence to get a glass of water. As soon as he got to the sink, he observed a car with its trouble lights (four way flashers) on. The vehicle was on Route 112, now known as Wild Ammonoosuc Road, with the front end facing toward Lincoln, New Hampshire. Marrotte said the car was approximately 250 feet away and at "somewhat" of an angle from his residence. Marrotte also said he had to look through several trees to see the car as well. He described the lighting conditions around the car as "poor" with the only area ambient light coming from a barn at the Westman's property across the street from the car.

Marrotte related he could see a person walking around the vehicle, but he could only describe them as a "shadowy" figure at best. He could not provide any further details of this person. He further stated that the car was off the road with the driver's side of the vehicle "on the woods side" with the passenger side along the roadway. He believed the car had been involved in an accident by hitting a tree and then backing up to the same tree. The vehicle then was positioned adjacent and parallel to the roadway. Marrotte noted that he did not hear or see the accident, but obtained this information from either the police or the "rumor mill."